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VisualMill - developing mnogoosevuyu processing

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skedram wrote:

Children (Guys), trekhosevoy commercialization such model not do. Here need a full four pump turbine word processing or same trekhosevaya mnogopozitsionnaya word processing. Full chetyrekhosevuyu UE Vizhualmill not betrays, and for mnogopozitsionnoy processing need be real sky ace this programs. Such things I for example restricting in Atrkame.

In rinokame (the same Angura million) this is done easier than in artkame, in my opinion:
http://uploads.ru/t/z/H/4/zH4A7.jpg
http://uploads.ru/t/4/O/d/4OdLX.jpg

Simply replaced the Mcs, more nothing not did. Ah and vector in mathematics and physics of course the other :)

Last edited by Melkiades (Apr 13 2012 10:05:35)

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Tell pliz as find out key parametres, or where ask that would on axis Z blowers not was walking up for every unconnected to on point 0 to the top!? This is happening under now processing under processing turnover to the left turnover shift to the all normally rotating blade not is rising on point 0! Thank you!

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She will always be climb, if chosen Climb or convectional, it same need to depicted in the beginning of trajectory!
Code mixed, and will you happiness

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Thank you for exercises, I'm cutting poles, on your lessons of all you get a, drive the money changers axis x on beaded (! Tell please as point to now in program that I bought think the driver) and now I have fully fledged 4 axis!

Last edited by Фрезерок (Apr 16 2012 09:02:47)

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Friends I want you to tell please Limitierungsnummer as do kronshtein rectangular as in fasting 121 in this programe on full 4 axle (

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Фрезерок wrote:

s “I want you to tell please Limitierungsnummer as do kronshtein rectangular as in post 121 in this programe on full 4 axle (

Think already answer on its question in ties with those that not know as remove messages with Forum)! It turns out simply need ask shape up a blank and process in 3 axle regime with turn in 90gr! But I have back impasse) Doin 'ing lu of an arm with not masterminding hostile takeovers but not generates g code with hinge A only ZXY tell as activating or that align in VisualMill or should be what the a special postprotsessor under 4 axis?

Last edited by Фрезерок (Apr 22 2012 12:01:12)

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Фрезерок wrote:

should be what the a special postprotsessor under 4 axis?

machine setup - 4-axis
There point to as gush povorotka - A-In-Since
Ah and parameters align.
Yes, controller should support this axis, for example totally dunked it. In case remote on 0501 not gonna fly - is the will only X to understand.

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Melkiades
Thank you for the answer on the sly has understood!) Now when all configured emerged still question as draft ing lu as you have on the picture in post 126 that would rotating blade not are to the thickness the entire templates and’t process only the upper hand and’t process only on X and not moved about all coordinates immediately?

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Pro axis of rotation of not I’d say, I have the bottom vector in mathematics and physics (he marked by), on him and do. If within vector detail, why Edgar Froese tumble down below it? Only I have simultaneously on all axes churchgoers, reckoning is called. If only on BMP - horizontal routeing, and ask layers.

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Such is do Jeul Pan for 4 axial vizualization normally will P.T. in mach3 on Y comes to a certain point and not shivelitsya and 2 axis work! And with a certain the premier all works!

Last edited by Фрезерок (May 1 2012 14:24:58)

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Фрезерок wrote:

on Y comes to a certain point and not shivelitsya and 2 axis work! And with a certain the premier all works!

Witchcraft, not otherwise!

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I have such was under pioneering totally dunked it and engines.

Program worked. Then engines river (omission steps. The on one axis the for two), through otredelennoe number of lines for started again normally work

Has reduced the speed and all in order. (Omission family.)

Last edited by Vladimir P (May 2 2012 11:07:09)

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Vladimir P wrote:

I have such was under pioneering totally dunked it and engines.
Program worked. Then engines river (omission steps. The on one axis the for two), through otredelennoe number of lines for started again normally work
Has reduced the speed and all in order. (Omission family.)
Edited tertiary P (Today 11 :07: 09)

I have not in mach3 and that the in vizhualmill as the propisuet wrong code under axis A perekiduyu with X on overtaking etiquette all normally! And is obtained so: When in Chishmins do supply for example chistovoy 200 and give 210 blowers goes to on Y on 5mm and this axis is worth! And axis X.Z. that the ausubt it is unclear that (Perhaps kakoeto trendy vrezanie vystavlenno? Nor what are, cruising (if word processing 4 pump turbine with hinge A and coup 90-180-270 gr normally! Simply not can tokarik align with hinge A!

Last edited by Фрезерок (May 2 2012 13:04:35)

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Фрезерок wrote:

blowers goes to on Y on 5mm and this axis is worth! And axis X.Z. that the ausubt it is unclear that (Perhaps kakoeto trendy vrezanie vystavlenno? Nor what are, cruising (

Who prevents open code and revere? If Y change in UE, but machine not reacts - see Machine.
If in UE changes there is no - see Algorithm / postprotsessor
I telepatit on such a distance not becomes.

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Hello, emerged the need to study VisualMill or Cam. Until this with all tasks Mersch ArtCam. Pose so as was in Forum written :)) Since program has understood so itself, still explore. Has tried write UE on balyasinu, all made on instructions. Here is only the problem arose under visualization. The drying of the on-hour arrow roughly on 270 degrees, and remaining 90 degrees remain in Chishmins not (singsongy): Cuckoo frezoy! Why so?

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All Hi! Who knows response, d thankful! Can be whether in VisualCam create borders draft milling under 4 axle frezerovanii? And can be whether change parameters the first milling, thus, to rotating blade not has gone wasted there where more not requires draft bifidobacteria? Who otkliknitsya, write, will explain in more details, on my view actual the problem!

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Hello!
Please can you tell me, Wu me machine chetyryokhosevoy with opportunity reverberates spindles. This like is called 4 +.
Jeul Pan restricting in RhiniCam.
Fewer cut with turn spindles on 90 degrees, me need to reverse axis Z and X.
Thank virtually all options with a change in coordinates, world, metal.
But when open UE in Mach, there a remain not izmennymi.
Understood, that need to something to change in postprotsessore to the loom.
Please can you tell me as this to do.
Thank you!

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All bountiful days! Answer please on question! Suppose I want to build a circle in VisualMill the predetermined long, how to do this? There is no nor the premier fortune, nor additional windows aide as in ArtCam! Only the initial point and ultimate. And still, need to place two different model on one templates! As this implement! With its listing copies of I has understood, there simply: Pk machine gun and Array and you're copying as you need! And here is different model, problematic! With the help Locate WCS, I can their cut to disco as me need to, but only group! Program sees these model as one big object, and all operations which I'm applying, are perceived for this makroobekta in a whole!

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Strongly recommend use Reno + Rinokam if commit manipulation with models.

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Today me one familiar specialist, too, most said :)) Say, is please where can be download RinoCam!

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All Hi! On the first straniche this themes there is the reference where download VizualCam, I downloaded and established, kryag worked. And here is now in office put, and kpiruyu file VisualMill 6.0.vca in the downloaded folder, and would still program not it! Why so? Have been arguing create up a blank cylinder, and he I have from below in reorientation becomes! Apparently from-for democracy version of. That can be do in this case?

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All bountiful days, please can you tell me as correctly process legs, there where the most low seats, program their not handles, they identifies a red?

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http://s1.uploads.ru/t/dECKk.jpg
Here is screen

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WOODOO
Here not indispensable (I so think) without turning axis, then can be will cozy up

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Dobryi all day!
Only ask that for Council those who enjoy vizualom, but if who software rshenie in paurmille,, too, call out please, stalknulsya with problem in 4's axial processing, (not is obtained a picture of an to attach!) if the fragment model enters beyond center of rotation turning axis the this the fragment not work! In other words, blowers not descends below axis of rotation of, Say, is please who as decides this problem?

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robert
Usually processing such models divide on parts of either mnogopozitsionnoy Bajaus axial.

There is version of VisualMill 2012, if who needs to can posting.

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Xander1980 wrote:

There are version of VisualMill 2012, if who needs to can posting.

Dobryi day, of course spit it out. Long skloubeni)

Last edited by Igor44 (Aug 20 2012 16:34:14)

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VisualMill 2012

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Are posing, otpisyvaemsya about rejuvenate and key changes.

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Xander1980 wrote:

VisualMill 2012


He with cure or this democracy?

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skedram
With cure. But himself until does not pose, so otpisyvaemsya about rejuvenate. Until Sprutcam 7'm torturing you, all same the Russian program and the manual on 800 pages on Russian language inspires confidence in the future :)

That a new in this version of http://www.mecsoft.com/Downloads/2012/W … LL2012.pdf

Last edited by Xander1980 (Aug 22 2012 19:18:30)

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Incidentally, in octopus anymore is obtained ZakavyrestoMnogomegabaytnye :) indicate present process? How many times not has tried do for example a comprehensive (line by line-posloynuyu) processing -proga crashes.

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nikson
Unfortunately not is obtained, as memory ranks under 2 gigs - mistake, so that even open 500Mb Fablog will exhibit cannot be (gives work with those that you got it up yet until filling memory. And 150mb Fablog will exhibit are handled on times.
Apparently need to VisualMill go probing around. In new version of pro kh64 written - means should all my 16GB RAM understand :) was would happiness, only fear that in archive 32bitnaya version of.

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Я решил для себя на rhinoCAM в таких случаях остановиться( практически тот-же VisualMill) вроде как все STL-ки переваривает, не надо упрощать модель как это делает АРТкам (с его гранеными вертикальными стенками и скудным набором стратегий 3-д обработки) Вот только никак толком не разберусь с подбором оптимальных стратегий обработки для рельефов-барельефов и желательно с возможностью задать шаг фрезы по гребешку как позволяет это делатьпривычный мне Спруткам( если кто не в курсе- шаг фрезы в этом случае получается переменный-где-то больше где-то меньше, приоритет имеет заданная шероховатость(качество) поверхности(довольно сильно экономиться машинное время)) Ну и как-то не хватает привычной Спрут-вской комбинированной стратегии, когда вертикальные стенки обрабатываются послойно а горизонтальные построчно(Наверное не разобрался толком ещё в РиноКаме)
Can is worth any mini-bake hook up to create optimum UE processing individual nations indicate present model? Together and opportunities various CAM-but will know?

Last edited by nikson (Aug 22 2012 23:40:49)

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nikson wrote:

Nu and as something lacks customary Sprut-' clip art 'at strategy, when simultaneously the walls are handled shades and horizontal line by line (Probably not has understood pleasantly even in RinoKame)
Can is worth any mini-bake hook up to create optimum Jeul Pan processing individual nations indicate present model? Together and opportunities various CAM-but will know?

In rinokame like there is these strategies when simultaneously the walls are handled shades, but this strategy is faring as UBNPUFPSFEMShOBS.

Xander1980 wrote:

apparently need to VisualMill go probing around. In new version of pro kh64 written - means has to my 16GB RAM understand was would happiness, only fear that in archive 32bitnaya version of.

Yes, it seems that 32-'s bit version of.
I until put efforts on in-store demonstration. Increasingly Astroglide. Today on the other kampyuter shall put, stuck.
Need to increasingly ??? seek 64-'s bit. Can be and RhinoCam.

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nikson
Learn using now with VisualMill, function on grebeshku present - in settings strategy tab Cut Parameters in the bottom pages had Luxury hospitality industry. And strategies here indeed race. Think use its only for 4 axles, where JDPaintu unfortunately offer nothing to acquire quite. About the GNP idea the good, only need technical task correctly to formulate, and such a bazaar tickles (if of course someone wants participate :)).
Igor44
Seek need to, but, fear, the broken still there is no in nature. This the only emerged and on how thank you.

http://store.softline.ru/pricelists/download/3890/xls/
Price on a license, himself watch not can - office on computer, okay there is no.

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Xander1980 wrote:

price on a license, himself watch not can - office on computer, okay there is no.

VisualMILL
VisualMILL Standard v2012 (w/3rd axis) € 1 475,00
VisualMILL Expert v2012 (w/4th axis) € 2 944,10
VisualMILL Pro v2012 (w/5th axis indexed) € 5 894,10
VisualMILL Premium v2012 (with 5th axis continuous) € 11 794,10
VisualMILL Parts Nesting Module € 1 174,10
VisualMILL VisualTURN vl.O € 1 475,00
VisualMILL VisualART vl.O € 584,10
VisualMILL PRO/DUO v2012 € 9 434,10
VisualMILL VisualXPORT-for-SolidWorks v6.0 € 590,00
VisualMILL VisualXPORT-for-lnventor v6.0 € 590,00
VisualMILL Annual Maintenance Service (AMS)
Annual Maintenance Service (AMS) VisualMILL Standard € 348,10
Annual Maintenance Service (AMS) VisualMILL Expert € 584,10
Annual Maintenance Service (AMS) VisualMILL Pro € 1 174,10
Annual Maintenance Service (AMS) VisualMILL Premium € 2 354,10
VisualMILL Product Level Upgrades (v2012)
VisualMILL Product Level Upgrades (v2012) Standard to Expert € 1 593,00
VisualMILL Product Level Upgrades (v2012) Standard to PRO € 4 714,10
VisualMILL Product Level Upgrades (v2012) Standard to Premium € 10 856,00
VisualMILL Product Level Upgrades (v2012) Expert to PRO € 3 127,00
VisualMILL Product Level Upgrades (v2012) Expert to Premium € 9 322,00
VisualMILL Product Level Upgrades (v2012) Pro to Premium € 6 195,00
Version upgrades VisualMILL
Version upgrades VisualMILL Basic v5.0 to Standard v2012 € 938,10
Version upgrades VisualMILL Standard v6.0 to Standard v2012 € 531,00
Version upgrades VisualMILL Basic w/4th v5.0 to Expert v2012 € 1 410,10
Version upgrades VisualMILL Standard w/4th v6.0 to Expert v2012 € 885,00
Version upgrades VisualMILL PRO v5.0 to PRO v2012 € 2 183,00
Version upgrades VisualMILL PRO v6.0 to PRO v2012 € 1 475,00
VisualMILL USB Dongle change
USB Dongle change € 177,00
VisualMILL Bridge License Configuration Prices (price per version)
VisualMILL Bridge License Configuration Prices (price per version) Standard € 348,10
VisualMILL Bridge License Configuration Prices (price per version) Expert € 466,10
VisualMILL Bridge License Configuration Prices (price per version) Pro € 584,10
VisualMILL Bridge License Configuration Prices (price per version) Premium € 702,10
RhinoCAM
RhinoCAM Standard v2012 (w/3rd axis) € 1 475,00
RhinoCAM Expert v2012 (w/4th axis) € 2 944,10
RhinoCAM Pro v2012 (w/5th axis indexed) € 5 894,10
RhinoCAM Premium v2012 (with 5th axis continuous) € 11 794,10
RhinoCAM Parts Nesting Module € 1 174,10
RhinoCAM RhinoART vl.O € 584,10
RhinoCAM Annual Maintenance Service (AMS)
Annual Maintenance Service (AMS) RhinoCAM Standard € 348,10
Annual Maintenance Service (AMS) RhinoCAM Expert € 584,10
Annual Maintenance Service (AMS) RhinoCAM Pro € 1 174,10
Annual Maintenance Service (AMS) RhinoCAM Premium € 2 354,10
RhinoCAM Product Level Upgrades (v2012)
RhinoCAM Product Level Upgrades (v2012) Standard to Expert € 1 593,00
RhinoCAM Product Level Upgrades (v2012) Standard to PRO € 4 714,10
RhinoCAM Product Level Upgrades (v2012) Standard to Premium € 10 856,00
RhinoCAM Product Level Upgrades (v2012) Expert to PRO € 3 127,00
RhinoCAM Product Level Upgrades (v2012) Expert to Premium € 9 322,00
RhinoCAM Product Level Upgrades (v2012) Pro to Premium € 6 195,00
Version upgrades RhinoCAM
Version upgrades RhinoCAM Basic v1.0 to Standard v2012 € 938,10
Version upgrades RhinoCAM Standard v2.0 to Standard v2012 € 531,00
Version upgrades RhinoCAM Basic w/4th v1.0 to Expert v2012 € 1 410,10
Version upgrades RhinoCAM Standard w/4th v2.0 to Expert v2012 € 885,00
Version upgrades RhinoCAM PRO v1.0 to PRO v2012 € 2 183,00
Version upgrades RhinoCAM PRO v2.0 to PRO v2012 € 1 475,00
RhinoCAM USB Dongle change
RhinoCAM USB Dongle change € 177,00
RhinoCAM Bridge License Configuration Prices (price per version)
RhinoCAM Bridge License Configuration Prices (price per version) Standard € 348,10
RhinoCAM Bridge License Configuration Prices (price per version) Expert € 466,10
RhinoCAM Bridge License Configuration Prices (price per version) Pro € 584,10
RhinoCAM Bridge License Configuration Prices (price per version) Premium € 702,10
Education – Lab Pack
Education – Lab Pack VisualMILL Pro Lab v2012 (5 user) € 1 475,00
Education – Lab Pack VisualMILL Pro Lab v2012 10 user Lab € 2 655,00
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Education – Lab Pack Parts Nesting Module (5 user) € 295,00
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Education – Lab Pack Parts Nesting Module 25 user Lab € 1 180,00
Education – Lab Pack VisualTURN Lab v1.0 € 1 475,00
Education – Lab Pack VisualART Lab v1.0 € 590,00
Education – Lab Pack RhinoCAM Pro Lab v2012 € 1 475,00
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Education – Lab Pack RhinoCAM Pro Lab v2012 25 user Lab € 5 900,00
Education – Lab Pack RhinoART LAB v6.0 € 590,00
Education – Lab Pack VisualMILL-for-SolidWorks Pro Lab v6.0 € 1 475,00
Education – Lab Pack VisualMILL-for-SolidWorks Pro Lab v6.0 10 user Lab € 2 655,00
Education – Lab Pack VisualMILL-for-SolidWorks Pro Lab v6.0 25 user Lab € 5 900,00
Annual Maintenance Service (AMS)
Annual Maintenance Service (AMS) VisualMILL Pro Lab v2012 (5 user) € 295,00
Annual Maintenance Service (AMS) VisualMILL Pro Lab v2012 10 user Lab € 472,00
Annual Maintenance Service (AMS) VisualMILL Pro Lab v2012 25 user Lab € 1 062,00
Annual Maintenance Service (AMS) RhinoCAM Pro Lab v2012 (5 user) € 295,00
Annual Maintenance Service (AMS) RhinoCAM Pro Lab v2012 10 user Lab € 472,00
Annual Maintenance Service (AMS) RhinoCAM Pro Lab v2012 25 user Lab € 1 062,00
Annual Maintenance Service (AMS) VisualMILL-for-SolidWorks Pro Lab v2012 (5 user) € 295,00
Annual Maintenance Service (AMS) VisualMILL-for-SolidWorks Pro Lab v2012 10 user Lab € 472,00
Annual Maintenance Service (AMS) VisualMILL-for-SolidWorks Pro Lab v2012 25 user Lab € 1 062,00
Education – Campus CAM
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Education – Campus CAM RhinoCAM Premium Campus-CAM v2012 € 5 894,10

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Messrs., and what super strategy you are looking for?
Computer believes very quickly, and here is the speed assemble products unless in the speed displacement press. ???? in the speed the most slow axis - Z.
Slightly-slightly thinking can conclude that the most rapid strategy - horizontal routeing / finishing
But in deeds not all so smoothly, under that way processing ledge have yielded unsympathetic, terrain opoyasan "telnyashkoy"
I personally love 3D projection pocketing, precisely because of steps. They have yielded as part of features tell you, if order smart with as you will will not so markedly :)

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Melkiades
Thank you for prices, let us wait your on 64 bits :)
Here is and need to choose optimum strategy for processing possible medicine Gapchinskaya (as the most complex terrain), share experience from whom that broke a on exit. Someone easier for hour all cut on the loom and then manually finalize the, someone wants to wait and simply dusting out those shavings, with ready products.

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Xander1980 wrote:

nikson
Learn using now with VisualMill, function on grebeshku present - in settings strategy tab Cut Parameters in the bottom pages had Luxury hospitality industry.

Please can you tell me, that gives this parameter Luxury hospitality industry?
I already quite enough of it'm using RhinoCam, but nor never not has tried this parameter.
Always'm using only parameter Distance.
Thank you.

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Igor44 wrote:

that gives this parameter Luxury hospitality industry?

Step such in this case should only shifting, and wiping out (step) from wrought roughness the surface (scallops so-called)
And strategy want roughly such a obtain (PAD on rapid) http://s1.uploads.ru/t/DJLT9.jpg
Think not will objections that horizontal tracts of optimally process rastrom and simultaneously shades. As times and Z will less upward an effort punch.

Last edited by nikson (Aug 24 2012 15:55:37)

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nikson wrote:

Step such in this case should only shifting, and wiping out (step) from wrought roughness the surface (scallops so-called)

I worked mostly on it drip. Blowers was conical round with the heel 0.127 mm,
blowers
For it I pose parameter, distance there is between steps from 0.02 until 0.04 mm for smooth the surface details. Now I'm just trying a at the other 45kW try cut on tree, the plastic. Tasks and technology quite other.
About grebeshkakh hear the first time. Rastalkuyte please, that this such and where specified markings the surface.
Thank you.

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Ah not master I lecture conduct. Here is a quotation from instructions Sprutkama -ShAG obrabotki- defines distance between neighboring lines of text in terms of for line-by-line, and gives Afghan operations. Step can threaten absolute immutable, in a percentage from diameter tool or vycheslyatsya on’fulfillment from conditions ensure regulating voluntary active Heights pecten Raveneli http://s1.uploads.ru/t/waAlS.jpg
Luxury hospitality industry this and there is one scallop on the language.

Last edited by nikson (Aug 24 2012 16:49:17)

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nikson wrote:

Nu not master I lecture conduct. Here is a quotation from instructions Sprutkama -ShAG obrabotki- defines distance between neighboring lines of text in terms of for line-by-line, and gives Afghan operations. Step can threaten absolute immutable, in a percentage from diameter tool or vycheslyatsya on’fulfillment from conditions ensure regulating voluntary active Heights pecten Raveneli
Luxury hospitality industry this and there is one scallop on the language.

Increasingly became on their seats. Now understood, that such "one scallop." Thank you)
On everything strategy. You there simply polusfera or on top declaring the the surface?
Think in VisualMILL such can be try do. Can conduct an experiment with UE, need only minimum specs.

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Igor44
I think there polusfera size of 50mm, what by default story paints JDPaint

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Xander1980 wrote:

Igor44
I think there polusfera size of 50mm, what by default story paints JDPaint

And why then to change direction trajectory movement such on top of big, that would the surface was cleaner, without Steps horizontal?
Me seems in the interface two different trends trektoriy, will visible the border.
Until I a bit not gather additionally in any way task (

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Igor44
Interface in sight not will, in JDPaint can be point to half hitch. Task as times in is, to find LUChShUYu (the most simple, rapid, convenient, with more quality commercialization and camping on D.) program.

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Xander1980 wrote:

Igor44
Interface in sight not will, in JDPaint can be point to half hitch. Task as times in is, to find LUChShUYu (the most simple, rapid, convenient, with more quality commercialization and camping on D.) program.

I stuck tomorrow in rinokame Jeul Pan do, there in principle, too, can be done nakhlyost on first trajectory.

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Here is tried do on someone zadumkam, like increasingly is obtained.
Used three different strategy. http://s1.uploads.ru/t/O6qTa.jpg

Last edited by Igor44 (Aug 25 2012 12:41:23)

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Igor44
If not it is difficult, in more details raspishite that yes as. Think will many helpful.
And these simultaneously movement such for what? Something type need further deliberation was?

Last edited by Xander1980 (Aug 26 2012 16:29:10)

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I absolutely not see sense in such throes of, as the creation Jeul Pan combination of strategies. There in time this not will give. What sake of? The, that someone scotch-taped such a strategy in zhdpeynt, this is even not reason to repeat his experience.
Xander1980 - ideal programs not case. Everywhere their pros and cons.

Last edited by СерёгаЧПУшник (Aug 26 2012 16:45:12)

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